share in tiger or similer
Message #989 by: 
Posted on:  Monday 9th of August 2004 at 8:33 pm
im looking to buy a half share in a Tiger or Spitfire or similer in the southampton area.

Message #992 by:  Tigerman
Posted on:  Tuesday 10th of August 2004 at 5:38 pm
Go for a Tiger. The Hobie Assn have put up a Tiger trophy and are running training (uasually based in the South) for all levels.
Watch this space.

Message #993 by:  Spitfireman
Posted on:  Wednesday 11th of August 2004 at 12:33 pm
Go for a Spitfire. The fastest growing cat class in the UK
with over 130 boats built. Excellent class racing, the
performance of a Tiger without the grunt.
A true one design, so no need to play the game of
catch-up to stay competitive.
Nothing depreciates quicker than a second hand F18!

Message #994 by:  observer
Posted on:  Thursday 12th of August 2004 at 10:45 am
The expected answer from the Spitfire. It is a good example of what can be done with stats, lets look at Fastest growing class, Nats entry has increased for the Spitfire 2002 11, 2004 21, 2003 18, while the F18 class get twice that number and if we look at Europe the number is well over 20 times.

If you want big fleet sailing it has to be H16 or F18

Message #999 by:  stats
Posted on:  Monday 16th of August 2004 at 8:51 am
big fleet sailing - H16? yes - in europe, yes in the world,
but not in the UK

F18 gets more, but it is 10 years old, not 3

I believe the comment was fastest growing, not biggest.
very different.

UK H16 nationals turnout used to be over 30, and that
was not very long ago - 18 last year, and all youths bar
two or three.

At the end of the day, all good boats!

Tiger or F18
Message #1002 by:  Jon
Posted on:  Monday 16th of August 2004 at 7:10 pm
A Tiger does not remain a Tiger for very long. The sails are so bad that owners change very soon and do not buy Hobie sails. So it's no longer a Tiger - not one design - cannot sail as a Hobie Tiger at Hobie events. Spitfire is one design.

Message #1004 by:  Tigerman
Posted on:  Tuesday 17th of August 2004 at 4:50 pm
Depends what you want to do. If you want club racing in the UK, then a Spitfire is ok. If you want to mix with the bigger fleets in the UK, Europe and beyond then you want a Tiger.
Hobie 16 (not sure where this came in) does have a small fleet in the UK but not the world and is an RYA & ISAF class. The Hobie assn also runs training for Tigers, 16's and Dragoons on a reglar bases.

Taking Tiger forward
Message #1005 by: 
Posted on:  Wednesday 18th of August 2004 at 6:30 pm
This has generated a very interesting set of responses. The association needs input from Tiger sailors including those focusing on F18. All the Committee members are H16 sailors or parents of H16 or Dragoon sailors. Our aim is to help build Hobie and Cat sailing. The association has been very successful this year feeding Dragoon and H16 issues back to Hobie. We can do the same for all types of Hobie. Please make contact. The statements that Tiger sails are poor does not help anyone. Please Please come and join us and help build your association.

My observations in Europe do not support the view that most Tigers sail with non Tiger sails. Personally I consider it fantastic that Tigers can Win in Tiger or F18 straight out of the box from the factory however if you want to have a sail from your favourite sailmaker you can sail F18.

Tiger Out of Box
Message #1029 by:  Jon
Posted on:  Tuesday 7th of September 2004 at 12:28 am
No Tiger straight out of its box has ever won a F 18 event. Those winners are barely recognisable as tigers.

maybe cheaper.....
Message #1036 by:  Spitfireman
Posted on:  Thursday 9th of September 2004 at 1:08 pm
but it is second hand.
I can buy a second hand Rolls Royce cheaper than a
new Mercedes, but doesn't mean it is worth having.
(can't afford either, by the way!)
The Spitfire gives you one design racing for all, without
gold fleet, silver fleet, penultimate fleet type nonsense.

Horses for courses though, F18 in general is great...So
is Spitfire however!

Message #1044 by:  Martin Chadder
Posted on:  Sunday 12th of September 2004 at 4:42 pm
The Beauty with the Tiger is you can sail it in Tiger Events and also F18.

The standard Sails are Very good , but if you want the best available you need
to buy other Sails.

Tigers and Spitfires
Message #1053 by:  Anon
Posted on:  Monday 13th of September 2004 at 10:15 pm
There is room on the water for both Tigers and Spitfires,
It's a sad Spitfire sailor who has to spend all of his time running down Hobies on the Hobie site,
Perhaps he ought to return to the Hobie Class!!!

Tiger Share
Message #1017 by:  Tigerman
Posted on:  Thursday 2nd of September 2004 at 5:28 pm
Now you can buy a Tiger even an older one and sail in the F18 silver fleet. This will still give you good sailing/racing but not have to have buy a top boat. Cheeper than a Spitfire!
Look forward to seeing you out there.

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